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Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil

Phil — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:55:01 +0000

Saw Clyde’s film, on Ziln,
http://www.ziln.co.nz/program_detail.php?program_id=561&channel_id=122

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil

Phil — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:10:10 +0000

Thanks for the comment. Yeah I am focusing on the technology. I don’t think that either side of the 1080 argument have a communication strategy for social media. Yet I expect/know that both sides of this argument are organised and strategic – just not in social media. I think that Clyde and his brother’s development and distribution through YouTube of their documentary Poison Paradise had a very big impact on the 1080 discussion. So, yes I think being first to advocate an issue on social media sites is important.

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by courtney lambert

courtney lambert — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:37:06 +0000

You seem to be focusing on the technology and the tools, not the communication strategy.

Being “first” has very little to do with social media. Social media “tools” are easy. Two way communication strategies are a lot more challenging.

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Clyde Graf

Clyde Graf — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:06:33 +0000

1080 is not a pleasant, or quick death. That is of course, if you call up to several weeks to die, (for some species of birds) slow.There is no antidote, it has no smell or taste.
Rosalind, if I may offer you the opportunity to get informed, I will post you a copy of Poisoning Paradise, at no cost, if you would agree to watch it. It is a scientific, and factual account of the use of 1080 in New Zealand. No catch, you don’t even need to communicate with me, appart from supplying me your postal address. My email address is thegrafboys@xtra.co.nz There is also some clips available to watch on our website http://www.thegrafboys.org, if you would rather.

Phil, sorry not to reply sooner. No, I don’t follow the blog sites – but I do do searches from time to time, and came on to your story.
Phil, as mentioned above, I would be delighted to send you a copy of PP too, if you would agree to watch it.

Let me know. All the best. Clyde Graf.

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil Bilbrough

Phil Bilbrough — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:56:57 +0000

Thanks for commenting Ken

Not a 1080 link but a recent video link circulating from DOC now, http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/birds/land-birds/nz-falcon-karearea/threats/video-of-cat-attack/

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil Bilbrough

Phil Bilbrough — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:54:52 +0000

Thanks for your comments Ken.

Not relevant to the 1080 discussion but this circulated today from DOC, http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/birds/land-birds/nz-falcon-karearea/threats/video-of-cat-attack/

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Rosalind Dalefield

Rosalind Dalefield — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:28:28 +0000

I am mystified by the fact that people get very upset about 1080 but not about cholecalciferol. It seems that people can understand that an animal is in pain when it has convulsions, but if it dies in slow agony, with its internal organs calcifying and haemorrhaging, they don’t realize that there is pain involved. Don’t they realize that it would be agonizing if every breath, or intestinal contraction, broke calcified tissue? Likewise, although brodifacoum can lead to a ‘gentle’ death by intestinal blood loss, it very often leads to pulmonary haemorrhages, hemarthroses, haemopericaridum and other forms of haemorrhage that are known to be extremely painful in humans. As a Board-certified toxicologist (with both the American Board of Toxicology and the American Board of Veterinary Toxicology), I can state with assurance that none of these chemicals cause a ‘gentle’ or comfortable death. Most poisonings don’t. Given the choice of suicide by 1080 or cholecalciferol, I’d pick the 1080, because at least it is quick.

The 1080 debate is tainted by ill-informed and emotive reporting by the media. A few weeks ago there was an item on television about some people whose dog died with signs of 1080 poisoning after a nearby reserve was treated. Allegedly they got the dog to the vet but were told there was nothing that could be done. This item raised more questions that it answered. Firstly, how did the dog get the 1080 if not by wandering? By law, dogs are supposed to be under the owner’s control at all times so if the owners let the dog wander, shame on them, they have noone but themselves to blame for their dog’s death. Why did the vets say there was no treatment when there are antidotes for 1080? Did the dog die before they could be used, or did the vets not want to bother treating the dog? Was a postmortem exam done to confirm the diagnosis? There are other causes of fits in dogs. ‘Post hoc ergo propter hoc’ is a logical fallacy.

I recently drove “The Forgotten Highway” for the first time in many years. The extent of possum damage to the crowns of the trees is appalling.

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Ken Harcombe

Ken Harcombe — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:34:19 +0000

I agree with you Phil. I have spent a lot of time in New Zealand bush and I am appalled at the lack of bird-life. When you compare the descriptions of the cacophony that greeted the first visitors to these shores with the silence that hangs over the bush now you gain an appreciation for that which we have lost – none of it due to 1080. I have been in “poisoned” bush and there is no observable difference between it and the “pristine” bush.
At home I maintain a very heavy poisoning program; the results have been spectacular. Geckos, and skinks abound; there are large populations of quail (Brown and Californian) – admittedly not native, but show the effectiveness of poison. Fantails exist in profusion; tui, wood pigeon, and kaka are all common, and I can assure you that the poison doesn’t affect the insects – the garden testifies to that.
Poison isn’t the perfect solution (I would rather not use it), but until we discover another way to control the pests that infest our bush we are stuck with it.

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil

Phil — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:53:19 +0000

Hey Clyde,

Please post any of your latest material that are on any of the social networking sites. Also, you commented very quickly, can I ask if you are tracking posts/blogs about 1080?

Phil

Comment on Phil Bilbrough: Hubris and Nemesis by Phil

Phil — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:57:55 +0000

Thanks for commenting Clyde.